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How would you be able to defend yourself in that type of scenario? The RC police checking every house in america for unregistered rc pilots.OMG. So to argue there isnt some problems with thoughtless people flying where they shouldnt doesnt serve anyone. Can you see it chad. I also believe the FAA will now need to go ask for appropriations to cover models and we should all contact our congressman to restrict spending more money to expand FAA. A. JUST SAY NO, Because that would make sense and the government is not in the business of making sense, just money However, they would still be in violation of SEC. People dont want more Big Brother control.. The rule could have been done in good faith, but at the moment, it seems quite draconian. : (765) 287-1256 / (800) 435-9262 Fax. ago. How are they not recreational MODEL aircraft?. (2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft; and If they can get away with not complying with the LAW, then I should be able to do the same thing without ANY repercussions. nice to know that your answer kind of goes with thiers..that sounds like stop all gun owners cause a few used them wrong. And its not because they just took off at Logan. If you are not already checking the records to see how your Congressmen and Senators are voting..get engaged and start tracking their votes. The police cannot do anything about enforcement nor will they. Is there a minimum age requirement? This is totally insane, how does a CL aircraft pose a threat? I made some comments earlier that ,as I look back at them now sound childish. Gordy, youre going to make me cry. If the AMA does not do more than vocally feel disappointed, next renewal they are going to feel disappointed even more. I see the AMA membership numbers declining in the very near future. Next year they will try to attach a $5.00 per plane fee so that those living on entitlements can get free booze and dope. For example lets say your a person who is marginally able to fly a model airplane safely because of age related degenerative eye disease or other factors. The fact that registration NOW is only $5.00 is meaningless; this is the start of a process that is wrong and will continue to expand in the future against the modelers the statutory exemption was designed to protect. It wasnt a big deal. does this men I can take my planes to my airport and fly since I have to abide by their rules? How will they identify a near miss from a drone when is speeding past a aircraft at 300 MPH and the number is less than 1/2 inch tall? I think the AMAs membership and money are so tiny compared to the FAA and now the DOT we have almost no chance of keeping the government out or making them respect the congressional LAW. The new FAA policy is exactly in line with how things are done in this country. AMA already has the information (on all AMA members) for SUAS registration on file. If they wanted to get more education out to model aircraft flyers, again, they could do it through the AMAs data base. The meeting was closed to the public. SOON IF YOU CARRY A STICK WITH A NAIL ON ONE END, ITS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, THIS IS BULLCRAP!!!!! Likely the ones who abuse the hobby probably wont register anyway. I have better things to be pissed off about than this stuff. I see a big shake up next year with the executive board at the ama. More specifically, contact Senator James Inhofe, R-OK. One more thing to be concerned about in trying to remain legal while at the flying field. Do you think this is a little blown out of proportion? Its critical that Congress hears your voice now. Take a page from Charlton Heston From my cold, dead hands. At least this will appear to all of us as this is what they want us to believe .Num 2. Like us on Facebook: https://bit.ly/AMA-FBJoin our Facebook group: https://bit.ly/iFlyAMAFollow us on Instagram: https://bit.ly/AMA-InstaRead the latest digi. A court order might be needed here to again put the FAA back in place. All I can say is shame on you. aircraft, as long as thats an option, and if/when that loophole is closed, then Ill just find another hobby, but I want nothing to do with what amounts to a short list of suspects, with no protection against copied/stolen registration numbers, and the potential for significant fines/jail time. There foam board, and hot glue mostly i down graded to building my own to stay in the hobby.. Thanks a lot. I Live in Indiana, where the AMA headquarters are located! I suggest that everyone should contact Senator James Inhofe, R-OK. FREE FLIGHT !!!! to inform him of what FAA Huerta thinks of Senator Inhofes legislation. The AMA is actively fighting this new rule and has been involved in the process for a long timebut so far the powers that be have prevailed. You only need to register once every 3 years. Computer controlled or not, the machine is not intelligent. What are they going to do throw a hundred thousand American citizens in prison for failing to register their little .40 sized trainer airplane? The FAA and DOT obviously do not have to obey the laws of the land. As full scale pilot, I have some of these groups in action before. If everyone refuses to pay the AMA the will get off there duff and do something. does not suggest that permission be asked, or given, by ATC. And what is AMA doing about it? This is another example of the current administration that has no one with enough sense to understand what is going on in the country. I have been flying radio control since 1977. bought my first radio in Stuttgart Germany and flew my plane at the baseball park at the patton ville housing area. The AMA must NEVER (NEVER) automatically register anybody to the FAA registry. People who fly close to passenger airplanes and break all the laws are NOT AMA REGISTERED. The real process comes after that in finding a way to get the regulator to enforce the rule in a way that everyone can live with. You have covered your selfs for 2 years. The point is not the $1.67. Too Orwellian, too Draconian you say? I have been in the hobby for 55 years and have seen a lot of thing come and go. Q. Those are the folks that need to be managed, and we can help if we arent treated as part of the problem but are treated as part of the solution. officials from doing this very thing. getting every law abiding citizen to register their flying Rc airplane, excuse me UAS, is not going to stop anyone intent on creating terror! TRUST provides education and testing on important safety and regulatory information. Powered gliders kill the motor at 150 meters and go up. All we can do is regroup and push on. MOLON LABE! FYI. Ama you have sold out your members and more than likely taken government bribes, not another dime will you get from me! Department stores dont frisk people on the way in and out of their stores because 2% of people steal. All we really need is enforcement of the current laws, but they are almost unenforceable because you have to catch them in the act. Where is the AMA government relations department? I know im nobody here in the grand scheme of things just dropping in my thoughts on this matter. We successfully advocated to protect members rights to fly over 400 feet. this is a slippery slope my friends. Remember it isnt the money aspect of this, it is the fact that the FAA is violating the federal law. Oh, and the place to comment to the FAA on this is a generally non-published address (another way to stifle public comment? I think you should sue the FAA for implementing an illegal system. I am a marketing professional. Good idea Every AMA member submit 50 what if email here here what kind of but kissing was this.i thought ama was gonna protect our rights.i called in here last year to ask about a 333 exemption nobody knew anything but now you guys have all the answers.come on somebody has to know a lawyer. This starts out as a simple thing for $5.00, but if this stands, mark my words this is just the beginning of regulation and fees. There are already laws on the books placing restrictions on how an R/C airplane is to be operated, but there is a serious lack of enforcement. The only way to stop this process is for the 185, 000 AMA members to write to their senators and congressmen a letter of protest with a well thought out logical reason as to why this FAA mandated registration process is a bad idea. I thought the new idea to pay for 2 years of dues may be to increase cash flow now for a coming legal fight. Would kind of go along the same lines as the FPV rule. What concerns me most is that our regulators are jumping into developing out another database which will contain the personal information of compliant citizens while others go on the lamb and all of this personal data will be exposed to hackers. I doubt any of the radio frequencies we use would be available for our hobby without the AMA. Our flying field is located about six miles from a major U.S. airport. Congress reinstated the registration requirement in December 2017 with thepassageof the National Defense Authorization Act. What scares me is the thought in the back of my mind that says Wait till the first sUAS causes a plane to crash and the recovered offending small aircraft doesnt have an ID number on it. Are we going to roll over and play dead. Candidate MAE & UAS Engineering. Further, this is an example of the lack of political influence that the AMA has exhibited. So the real origin of this rule either came from the administration or other government agencies (such as DHS). Reduced insurance coverage, compared to Full Membership. Another example of irrational/ineffective controls being imposed on citizens by lame governance agencies trying to increase revenue and justify their existence. $27,500 $250,000 + potential jail time. Ive heard there are two thing you never want to see in person. Exactly! The $5 is not the issue but the principle is. This rule is a joke. The TPA would not deny a claim solely on the premises that the AMA member did not register with FAA. Hear Hear! the hobby that i have enjoyed since i was a small child is now doomed,just glad that i have other interesting hobbies to fill the gap. There was already a law against flying in parks. Jet Blue filed a report. Its not the registration factor, its that there is no distinction between drones and other recreational MODEL aircraft. I just emailed my three congressional leaders using your letter as a template. Please provide us with your information. Theyll continue to do anything they want and the compliant folks will continue to be herded into the sheep corral for processing. But this is a political thing and so its just all a scam anyways. Has the AMA voiced any concerns? In response to these comments, the FAA notes Terrible. Federal law, exempts ALL recreational radio conttrol aicraft, and the faas imposition is in violation of federal law So the FAA can stick it where the sun dont shine page 72, Sec 336 exempts all model aircraft for recreational use under 55 pounds Regulators said screw the law, doing it anyways Do not comply, it is up to 3 years in prison, $25,000 civil fine, $250,000 criminal fine, and a federal felony conviction for all rc aircraft NOT drones. First stop, gun shop. Dont think it will happen? Therefore, this is a model aircraft pilots licence. It would have made more sense to req an AMA membership to buy new rc airframes and then have overviews of the rules in online training before finalizing the membership. I have watched interviews with pilots complaining about morons in the flight path. While we are disappointed with the new registration rule and still maintain that AMA members should be exempt from registration, the rule is being implemented over AMA objections. I would contribute to a legal fund to accomplish this. Dell Shannon Please dont put any ideas in their heads. Get an airspace authorization through LAANC You must use the paper (N-number) registration process if: Your unmanned aircraft is 55 pounds or greater You want to qualify a small unmanned aircraft for operation outside the United States Of course you all realize this not about money or safety but about more government CONTROL. (Register model airplanes, but not guns. Ama is supporting this? So what needs to happen now is we need to first file complaints with your Representatives and find a lawyer to start filing lawsuits, then find a federal DA to prosecute these thugs for accepting bribes. If enough people contact Senator Inhofe via the above contact info(there are a wide variety of ways to do so), politely implying that FAA Huerta just thumbed his nose at the waiver that Senator Inhofe helped to establish, perhaps Senator Inhofe can do something about this. Dear AMA; (ugly sticks, hots, Curare, Kaos, Live wire etc.) Im sure this would have been much easier to swallow if we were all allowed to just use our current AMA number. Just remember who was in charge when this went down. They dont magically take off and go places because you wished it so I guess thats why I dont understand why so many people are so upset at the guys flying with ardupilot or Naza. Instead we have the best way to streamline the registration process for AMA members going forward smoothing the way as were herded towards the ovens. This PDF file should answer any questions provided you have the patience to wade through it, Registration and Marking Requirements for Small Unmanned Aircraft. The law requires that all recreational flyers pass an aeronautical knowledge and safety test and provide proof of passage if asked by law enforcement or FAA personnel. Then it got popular because metal detectors got easier to use. The AMA membership will work to endorse political candidates that support usand at the same time will work to defeat any and all political candidates that want to regulate us and extort our hard earned money.whether local, state, or federal candidates. And to answer the question, Chris, not to my knowledge. #1538. Now, those restrictions were the result of a single event (9-11), while the issue here is more of an ongoing one. 4) Has AMA discussed a class action lawsuit with other interested parties to stop this implementation? Mad as hell! July 7, 2023: RC Scale | National Aeromodeling Championships Keep it simple, if someone runs a stop sign, write him/her a ticket, you dont fine everyone who owns a car for the violation. I see youve already embellished the definition of a UAS by adding such as a transmitter to it when the FAA site doesnt say that. If AMA goes along with this insane rule I no longer will remain a member. I am a strong believer of stop and search I never protested living in New York I dont feel safe since we dont have the law any longer. Clearly they realize the stupidity of this whole thing and have been working in government circles for several years. By contacting Senator Inhofewhether you reside in OK or notwe all can make our views clear. September 9, 2022 AMA staff. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years. Note that there actually is NO registration for models over 55 lbs. In a nutshell, I fly for fun. All accident claims are reviewed by a Third Party Administrator (TPA), who makes coverage determinations based on the unique circumstances and details of each incident and the language of the appropriate insurance policy. They are just sight seeing recreational pilots disobeying the rules. It is the responsibility of all of us to stay informed, protect our freedom by taking that responsibility seriously, and vote in every election whether it is local or national. : (765) 287-1256 / (800) 435-9262 Fax. Trump will use this to demonstrate the fecklessness of these unelected bureaucrats that are destroying our nation.not a Trump endorsement, just that he makes the news. Thats how the DC game is played.it stinksbut thats the way it is. Use the taxpayer money to catch the non AMA members causing the problem. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT. AMA needs to answer the questions whether AMA Chartered Clubs must verify that all members/individuals flying at Club fields are: (1) FAA registered(2) their aircraft have their correct FAA assigned number affixed(3) whether AMA liability coverage is voided in the event AMA members/Clubs are found not to conform with these new FAA regulations. Just wondering ??? I see both sides when it comes to registration. I suspect a lot of steam is being let off in this blog. This will happen to model flying if you roll over and accept the FCC decision. This about control, and the FAA is not going to listen to anything the AMA has to say. Laws are for honest people. That would keep the idiots busy. What is TRUST? At this time, AMA members will not automatically be registered when the registration website launches next week. This will make us in compliance with present FAA Will AMA require both numbers on/in our aircraft to be covered? And more dangerous to this hobby than the drones(and people) that you are whining about. So those who fly irresponsibly will certainly not use their own number or, any at all. Second only to Obamas executive orders. I dont want to sound venomous but Im beginning to see a snake disguised as the AMA. It will be up to the feds to find a way to enforce their draconian practices. ), Dont need anyone, in fact, wouldnt know if anyone was around because of the FPV goggles covering his eyes. Its always at the expense of Liberty to gain more over-seer jobs, more benefits and more retirements for the people farmer class. His wife, kids and home and added to the TSA no fly list. Balboa Rc park in Van Nuys Ca is 1.4 miles from the 25th most busist arports in the world in 2009. Arent our bureaucrats incredible?). New Adult Membership $85. I personally dont have much of a problem with it, but Im willing to bet the first incident that happens after the initial registrations are processed will not be perpetrated by a registered drone pilot. Enforcement would be simple with no other info required. Maybe 20 years ago it was unheard of. Apologize for comment. Which may be preferable to being stripped searched for aero modeling contraband! What is the answer? AMA Plan Service | Academy of Model Aeronautics Yes. . What we are sure of is the government continues to gain yardage while we do not. Thats terrorism and tyranny!!! Some details are still being discussed, including: We are seriously discussing with the FAA a system where your AMA number could be used as your federal registration number as well. You will see our elected idiots (particularly Mr. Peter DeFazio of Oregon) tell the DOT and FAA to do something fast. Dont be duped into believing that you have no legal ground and that the FAA has the right to dictate your RIGHTS. They will be coming to fun flies with their ticket book. FAA has ignored existing law and made their own. NOW LOOK!!!! More Govt intervention on law abiding citizens that are the only people that will comply with these new regulations. In working with Rep, Stutzmans office. Get ready for more. Dont we already have laws regarding interference with full scale aircraft, or peeping? Its not the five bucks I am protesting it is the stupidity on the rule. How does this even remotely comply with Congresss Special Rule for Model Aircraft? A huge failure by our elected AMA Representatives to stand-up for the rights of all the AMA membership. What do you think the FAA is doing ? Not comfortable with that either. M.S. This is a very intelligent observation. Also I foresee expensive models being confiscated and damaged or lost. If you do not recall your password, click on the "Forgot Password" link. Come on guys quit crying about the 5 dollars. What are the details of using the paper based system? Three month membership term. However, we are in conversations with the FAA about the best way to streamline the registration process for AMA members going forward. They have had years to come up with meaningful regulations and this is the best those geniuses could come up with? Greedy bastards who only care about money and sell themselves out to get it any way they can with no morals, principles or ethics and people who dont speak up and let their voices be heard! Although this rule was flexible and allowed the registration marking to be placed in an enclosed compartment, law enforcement officials and FAA partners have expressed concerns about the safety risks a concealed explosive device could pose to first responders when opening a compartment to find a registration number. The Los Angeles Police are supposed to cite pilots in violation of any FAA rules. Then you went to a local flying field to get some experienced advice and help learning to fly. SEC. Rather sad I think. Well see how long the $5 tax lasts. Also click the I would like a reply on the form. Seabrook Whyte If so.. more laws would be on the books to protect us from ourselves. I AM a droner as well because one of my other hobbies is photography. Yes Im outraged about a small hobby even being owned not by us anymore. The problems seem to originate from the inconsiderate people that have flown them in a unsafe manner resulting in reportable incidents or accidents. As an advances heli and fixwing pilot and builder I believe drones should have never been released to people that have never flown any remote device without some type of mentoring. AMA says, "Wait to register" - RCU Forums - RC Universe Why is the AMA not taking this to court? Absolutely no flight within horizontal limits of Class B, C, D airspace, or within five NM of airport, whichever is greater (horizontal separation from high volume low altitude traffic). Lets stand up here! The recent Interim Final Rule does not change the original acceptable methods of external marking, nor does it specify a particular external surface on which the registration number must be placed. How do you get that these idiots flying quadcopters near airports are without merit? What am I wasting $58.00 dollars a year for. FPV flight is a violation of the law to in the first place because you are required to have line of sight at all times. Perhaps the FAA has the manpower to visit each AMA club airfield . But to say there isnt a problem with the technology getting ahead of common sense is flat out wrong. Call and write to your congressmen and senators. (I am concerned about if AMA leadership is in this group) So far the reaction is lukewarm. I agree, not only will local law enforcement not want to deal with it. So since youre in violation, a citation will be issued and perhaps youll pay a fine. Is the Federal Government going to take me to court for failing to register myself as an RC pilot? The only control the pilot has is the Engine shut off timer and the DT mechanism setting done before launch So I guess there is no class of AMA aircraft that will be exempt from this registration process. The AMA should take some of the dues money we pay and get an attorney. Remain well clear of and do not interfere with manned aircraft operations, and you must see and avoid other aircraft and obstacles at all times. Just a thought. There are people that want to kill us, just because we kill them for living on land that the god they invented, gave to the god that invented that god. If the AMA agrees that the FAA is within its mandate to require registration. and there is an AMA sanctioned field in your area that isnt a an intolerable snobitorium, youre gonna be OK as long as you dont stray off of the property. AMA needs a lesson from the NRA . Politicians can correct any of societies problems just by taking taxpayers money and throwing it at the problem, from a distance preferably, so that they will not be identified with the problem. At least going in, As a licensed pilot and an AMA member who currently flies drones exclusively I feel that the AMA has done an excellent job in fighting for our right to fly recreational without government regulation. But now, given the FAAs total disregard to the federal laws of our land, our hobbys existence is now in jeopardy. I agree it could have been much worse but it also could have been much simpler to use our current AMA registration system. I asked if I was flying at a designated flying field insured by my AMA membership did I need to register.
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